I Can Take It

I Can Take It
I love freedom of speech and this women gives me HELL for my letter. But I can take it.Yet I only received two complaints so far. The other one I will not publish because that person was not man or women enough to give me their real name. So maybe more people agree with me than I thought. They agree that the football team does get treated differently. This women just can see that because she has a child in football. But that's ok. I still love the Wildcats.Here it is from the Tribune and Georgian letters to the editor:

Buying snacks helps support the band

Dear Editor,I feel I need to address the letter of Rick Rogers ("Is the band Camden County's Rodney Dangerfield?" Nov. 17).It seems because of some fans, it was a season filled with controversy. To Mr. Rogers, how does it make you feel to know you did not support the band by bringing your own snacks? The concession stand is run by the band parents (who do not get to see their child's half-time show) to raise money for the band!I'm to assume from your response, you didn't buy a program to support the cheerleaders, either. Do you remember (that) the fans help raise money for the new band uniforms when they passed the hats for donations? At least you admitted not knowing any band members.So next time, support the band, visit the concession stand before the game or before half-time if you prefer. Sometimes the wallet speaks louder than the voices of those who do not know all the facts. It is sad that the activities such as band, cheerleader, softball, football and many other activities rely on fundraisers and donations.To attack the grades of the students was definitely a lack of respect. The students in activities have rules about grades and performance. The students work hard and long hours (being at school longer than a normal 40-hour week) and still have homework and jobs. We do not need to put down one group of students to bring support for others.Please, everyone, remember these are children, not "grown-ups." Yes, we would like to teach them respect for each other. We do not need to teach them that the words of a few outweigh the support of the many.Yes, I'm a proud parent of football players and (a) middle school band member. So, everyone, please support the activities of your choice or all of them if you choose. I was sad to see my son's senior year tarnished by a few people's actions and opinions.

Marsha Squires
St. Marys

Marsha,
Yes I will visit the concession stand before the game so I can hear the band at halftime.I am sorry if I offended you or your children that was not my intention. My intention was to show how much difference there is in the football program and that the football program could show a little more support for the band. I will post every comment I receive on this issue both pro and con, as long as that person gives me their name.Also I would like to thank the Camden County Board of Education for their support of this blog. I know you hate it yet you can't help but look at it. It's just like a bad car wreck.

What About The Parents

Dear Ann Proctor,

I realize that you think virtually all of Camden County is behind the Wild Cat football team. And I would agree with you on that statement. Yet not all of Camden County works for you. I would say that a lot of people who support the Cats don't work for you, and don't have the time or money to find a babysitter so the school can close for a football game. I am not saying that you should not close the school, but this would have been a day some parents would have had to taken off to watch their kids. It is easy to say I can't come in to work because school is closed due to bad weather or a water main break, but here in the real world you can't go to your boss and say I need Friday off as the school is closed for a football game. All I ask is that for next year lets have some place to take the kids, whose parents don't work you, were they can be safe. Let's face it every year we get a last minute memo, or as is the case this year a letter to the editor. That letter was directed toward every employee of yours yet not one mention of the parents. I ask do you and the board realize your job is to work for the parents and children. If only you would make things this easy for us. We need to have a plan in place for next year so parents don't have to scramble around and find daycare with only a weeks notice.

Open Meetings Will Happen

I just can't tell you when. I guess whenever the board decides to do away with their communist views. I have given the board many chances and this is the last step I will take before seeking a legal remedy to this problem. Well I am more confident than ever that I will prevail. I do have court cases that will back up the peoples right to open meetings. Not to mention my witness list that include many leaders in the community. Let me take you back to the Ms. Martin incident. Ms. Martin wanted to speak out about her son being abused at school. Jimmy Coffel stop the meeting got out of his chair, went over to the podium to have a private conversation, at a public meeting, with Ms. Martin. My wife and I both questioned this procedure. Mr. Coffel then said he was closing the meeting and going into executive session. I also objected to this as not all people got to speak that night and Ms. Martin was hauled in executive session. A court case in Fayette County on this exact same issue yielded a settlement in favor of the plaintiff. If you remember correctly the police were to in that night. My first two witnesses. The two Kingsland police officers. Two reporter were also there one from the paper and one from the radio. And lets not forget Mr. Williams retired Judge in Kingsland also in attendance. Please let me know if you have a different version and I am sure you do as you are prone to lying. SO LET'S SAVE THE PEOPLE OF CAMDEN TIME AND MONEY AND JUST OPEN UP THESE MEETINGS.

Stand Up and Say

OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE AND
THERE AIN'T NO WAY WE'LL LOSE IT
THIS IS OUR LIFE, THIS IS OUR SONG
WE'LL FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE JUST
DON'T PICK OUR DESTINY 'CAUSE
YOU DON'T KNOW US, YOU DON'T BELONG
OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
OH YOU'RE SO CONDESCENDING
YOUR GALL IS NEVER ENDING
WE DON'T WANT NOTHIN', NOT A THING FROM YOU
YOUR LIFE IS TRITE AND JADED
BORING AND CONFISCATED
IF THAT'S YOUR BEST, YOUR BEST WON'T DO
OH.....................
OH.....................
WE'RE RIGHT/YEAH
WE'RE FREE/YEAH
WE'LL FIGHT/YEAH
YOU'LL SEE/YEAH
OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
NO WAY!
OH.....................
OH.....................
WE'RE RIGHT/YEAH
WE'RE FREE/YEAH
WE'LL FIGHT/YEAH
YOU'LL SEE/YEAH
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT, NO!
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
JUST YOU TRY AND MAKE US
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
COME ON
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
YOU'RE ALL WORTHLESS AND WEAK
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
NOW DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
OH CRINCH PIN
NO, WE AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT
OH YOU AND YOUR UNIFORM
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

A Letter To The Editor

From the Tribune and Georgian :
Is The Band Camden's Rodney Dangerfield ????

Dear Editor,
I usually reserve my one letter a month limit to criticize the Board of Education, take a jab at the Sheriff, or just laugh at the puppets on the Board of Commissioners, but what some people have done to our children, I can not let slide. And as most of you know I call as I see it.
You people in Camden County that booed our beloved band should be ashamed of yourselves. How dare you boo young kids who work just as hard as any member of the football team and probably have better grades than them. Although I am not a fan of any marching band, I can at least give them the respect that they deserve because they work so hard. I always thought when the band started playing it was time to hit the refreshment stand. Well, that will not happen anymore, as I will bring my own snacks and instead of supporting the refreshment stand, I will support the band. If you don't like the music, then criticize the instructor, but don't boo our kids. Did you all boo the football team when they lost in South Carolina, I didn't think so. So why would you boo other kids who try just as hard. Is there some kind of campaign to get rid of the the band? I know a few months ago Jimmy Coffel, Chairman of the Board of Education, said that if they did not raise taxes that the band would have to go. I couldn't believe he said that, but no one seemed to mind, not one letter to the editor, not one parent at the board meeting, nothing. Now, maybe our own fans want to get rid of the band to free up some more money for the football team. The band has been the only constant in the football program. Winners every year, can the football team say that. They have always excelled at competitions, yet have we closed school so more people could attend these competitions, NO. Why? What makes the football team so special? Now, the coach of the football team has asked for more support in a playoff game. He believes in his team so much, he took time to write a letter to the editor. Coach, where's the letter showing your support for the band. After all they are there every time supporting the football team. and what about the players, I have not seen one letter from a football players. Do you not support the ones who cheer every game win or lose? I guess you all feel the same as those idiots that booed. Shame on you to. Winning is more important than defending a bunch of kids against selfish, disrespecting, and ignorant people. Please join me at http://www.schoolpolice.com/ as I will show the band the respect they deserve. Kids, I don't think I know a single one of you, but I am sorry that some adults in this county just have not grown up, I support you and you continue to ROCK ON. I urge all who support our band to make signs to show your support for the band. Maybe take some newspapers and read them during the first half of the game and then get loud at halftime and show our Rodney just a little respect.

Thank you Camden County Marching Band

Rick Rogers
Kingsland

Where Is The Support For The Band

Why do we have people in this county that think it is ok to boo school children? I have watched plenty of high school and college bands and never have I seen the home team fans boo their own band. Never. Yet people in Camden County not only see fit to trash them on the field, but also in the paper. I think some in Camden County would like to get rid of the band altogether. Like Jimmy Coffel. Right Jimmy the band would go.

Band members it is time to fight back, before there is nothing left to fight for. You must take a stand and say:
We're not gonna take it anymore. You have been step on, pushed around, called names, booed, and always first on the get rid of list.

Stand tall and stand proud and always know the The Real School Police has your back. If you need anything just let us know and we will do all we can to help.

I would suggest maybe Friday night you face the opposing teams bench when you take the field.
That's right turn your backs on those that boo.

Long Live Camden County Marching Band.

More to come......

This Is A Catch 22

That's right you can keep the closed meetings and face litigation or you can open the meetings and face litigation. When would you face litigation in an open meeting? When someone does something wrong. OMG they would actually be punished.

So the choice is up to you. Here is the contact info for the ACLU attorney in Atlanta:
Gerald R. Weber, Jr., Esq.
American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia (ACLU)
70 Fairlie Street, Suite 340Atlanta, Georgia 30303
Phone 404-523-6201

Can You Say ACLU

You see I now have precedent. Remember when Ms. Martin wanted to speak And Jimmy Coffel stop the meeting and into executive session you all went. (Tyrone parent Joy Belyeu and other members of two concerned parents groups have recently clashed with the Fayette Board. After criticizing the Superintendent, Belyeu was required to finish her remarks in a closed session.Georgia Press Association attorney Jim Ellington says it is a violation of Georgia's Open Meeting Act to silence a statement made in a public hearing, then separate the complaining party in a closed session.4)

Murphy says most school attorneys disagree with a July 1995 unofficial opinion from Georgia's Attorney General. That ruling stated, "A school board may not close to the public any meeting devoted to the airing of grievances about school personnel by interested members of the public." The ruling went on to say "evidence or argument presented to the board must be held in an open meeting," while "deliberation or discussion by the board" may be in closed session.6

Question does the school attorney make the law. No I didn't think so.
So I ask you nicely to please change your ways or else!!!!!!!!

I would sure hate to take money away from the schools because the board thinks they are communists.

I will take a few days off now to support the band since its apparent that Jimmy Coffel won't support them. No, Jimmy I have not forgot your comments that the band would go away.

Need I Say More

The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them.

If You Don't Have Any Nice To Say

Check out the GEORGIA SECTION of this.


Open Meetings:
Public Criticism of Personnel?
Bill Stemmons
as published in the
Journal of the American Institute of Parliamentarians, April 1998
©1998 American Institute of Parliamentarians

Many school boards and other public bodies are uncertain how to receive comments from the general public concerning their personnel. Under open meetings laws in many states, public bodies generally may not consider anything not on an advance agenda. Many also believe all personnel matters must be discussed in closed sessions. What if a member of the public makes comments before a board critical of personnel? Can a brief response be given? Should they silence the speaker or insist it be discussed in a future closed session?
A member of the public has a right of free speech in an open forum, which a public body creates by inviting public comments. But don't public employees have a right to privacy in personnel affairs? A look around the U.S. shows the issue of public criticism of personnel in open meetings has become a widespread controversy.
George Dunham, Trustee for the Chicago suburb of Schaumberg, says their Board is like most public bodies: "Public comment time is not required, but the people expect it." Their Board also hosts monthly informal coffees entirely devoted to public input. "The whole point," Dunham says, "is to make it easier for people, not harder."
Victoria Baca attempted to criticize a superintendent and principal at a May 1996 Moreno Valley, California School Board meeting. The Hispanic activist, former school board candidate, and parent was warned that she could not mention employees by name except in a closed session. When she continued, she was physically removed from the meeting by a deputy sheriff.
In California, public comment time is required by law. A federal court held that in such a public forum, Baca's constitutionally-protected right of free speech prevailed against a prior restraint on content, and over any privacy or liberty interest of a public employee. The Court ruled that comments may be limited to subject matter under the jurisdiction of the Board, but the Board may not then limit the content of views expressed.
The Court held that as an employer, the District had an interest in protecting employee privacy. But the District had a compelling state interest in its role as a governmental entity required to allow public comment in its meetings. Employees' rights were outweighed by the First Amendment guarantee of uncensored free speech.
In February 1997, San Diego Vista School District residents Margaret O'Neill and Nancy Leventhal were cut off while attempting to question the performance of the District's Superintendent. Board President David Hubbard stopped both women and threatened to close the meeting if public criticism persisted.
When the ACLU filed suit on behalf of O'Neill and Leventhal, the Vista Board paid a settlement and attorney's fees. Plaintiffs' attorney Guylyn Cummins commented, "I found it extremely egregious that the Board would not allow criticism of public employees -- especially high ranking employees like the Superintendent of a public school system -- at public school board meetings by parents and other concerned citizens."
"At one point, the criticism ban was invoked as to elected Board members as well," Cummins explained. "The Board essentially said that concerned citizens could make laudatory or neutral comments, but could not criticize. The Court found it to be a content-based, viewpoint-discriminatory ban on speech which could not survive constitutional scrutiny."
Cummins added, "There is no principle more basic to our constitutional democracy than the right of citizens to confront their elected officials in a public forum and comment on their performance."
Shortly after free speech was ordered by the Court, the Vista Superintendent resigned amidst substantial controversy.
Activist Joan Coe of Simsbury, Connecticut, has been described by the Hartford Courant as a "gadfly."1 But her attorney praises her as a "public-spirited citizen," and one board member calls her "an asset and a tireless investigator who helps keep the concept of an open forum alive."
The former city employee and substitute teacher has already filed two suits against the Simbury School Board -- for open records and free speech in board meetings. Coe says she was once arrested for "reading a public record before a public meeting of a public body." That incident involved reading drunken driving charges filed against a student.
On September 10, 1996, the Simsbury Board abruptly adjourned during Coe's criticism of the Superintendent. (The Board has since shelved a proposal to cut off public comments altogether.) When Coe sued, the Board offered to settle. Coe refused unless the Board agreed to maintain public comments on their agenda.
Far from setting any precedent, the federal judge praised Coe's efforts, and in ruling against Coe's petition simply said she should have tried harder to work things out with the Board before going to court.
"The Board wants a good image before the cameras to help property values in the District," Coe said. "They deter public participation which could actually benefit schools by making them more accountable."
In Fayette County, Georgia, The Citizen newspaper says Georgia's "Sunshine Laws" are in practice "more like suggestions."2 In December 1997, the Fayette County School Board allegedly violated the Open Meeting Law for the third time in one year by meeting in the home of the Board President without public notice.3 In Georgia, advance public notice of a meeting is required, but an agenda is not required until afterward.
Tyrone parent Joy Belyeu and other members of two concerned parents groups have recently clashed with the Fayette Board. After criticizing the Superintendent, Belyeu was required to finish her remarks in a closed session.
Georgia Press Association attorney Jim Ellington says it is a violation of Georgia's Open Meeting Act to silence a statement made in a public hearing, then separate the complaining party in a closed session.4
Schools attorney Sarah Murphy disagrees: "Board deliberations about disciplinary actions or employee evaluations should be considered in private to protect the rights of the employee."5 But does criticism by a member of the public constitute "board deliberation?"
Murphy says most school attorneys disagree with a July 1995 unofficial opinion from Georgia's Attorney General. That ruling stated, "A school board may not close to the public any meeting devoted to the airing of grievances about school personnel by interested members of the public." The ruling went on to say "evidence or argument presented to the board must be held in an open meeting," while "deliberation or discussion by the board" may be in closed session.6
In Pennsylvania, two cases merit attention: When Bob Kircher demanded the resignation of a bankrupt board member, the Brentwood School Board had him removed by police. Meanwhile in Edgewood, the Woodland Hill Citizens for Quality Education complained about a board policy restricting public comment. Both Edgewood and Brentwood repealed their policies restricting public criticism of personnel after the ACLU threatened action. Pittsburg ACLU attorney Vic Walczak remarked, "Both defendants rolled over quite quickly after receiving our letters."
Without question this is a difficult issue. Personnel expect privacy and due process. Media representatives believe they should be able to hear citizen comments to public officials. Board members are reluctant to make any comments concerning items not on their agendas, even in response to criticism.
In many states open meetings laws require advance agenda. Under such requirements, officials responding to public comments may fear straying into illegal consideration of topics not on such agenda. Perhaps such laws could be amended to allow brief responses from officials. Under California's Brown Act, members of body or staff may briefly respond to statements, ask questions for clarification, make brief announcements, or make brief reports on their own activities. They may also refer items to staff or other resources for more information, request staff to report to the body at a subsequent meeting, or direct staff to place matters on future agenda.7
Finally, all involved in such controversies may do well to remember the principle stated succinctly in the Brown Act's public policy statement:
"The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created.8
[Bill Stemmons is professionally registered with NAP and is currently pursuing certification with AIP. He is President of the Oklahoma State Association of Parliamentarians and a member of the Board of Freedom of Information Oklahoma, Inc. Opinions expressed are his own and should not be relied upon as legal advice. For cites or sites, contact Stemmons through his web site at:
www.secondthemotion.com
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1. Hartford Courant, November 18,1997, p. A10, Editorial: "Silence Shouldn't Be Golden"
2. The Citizen [Fayette County, GA] , July 9, 1997, Editorial: "Sunshine 'Laws' More Like Suggestions"
3. Atlanta Journal and Constitution, December 4, 1997, "Fayette Board Meets without Notification," pp. CO-1, CO-2
4. The Citizen [Fayette County, GA] , May 7, 1997, "School Board Disputes Illegal Meeting Charges"
5. Atlanta Journal and Constitution, May 1, 1997, "Executive Session of School Board Called Illegal," p. MO-1
6. Georgia Attorney General Unofficial Opinion U95-15, July 31, 1995
7. California Government Code [Brown Act], §54954.2
8. Ibid., §54950
All other quotes are from personal interviews.

OMG!! She Is Not Blaming Teachers

Don't worry the rest of us know it's the parents fault.

From the Tribune and Georgian letters to the editor.
Thanks for your comments Sonya.....


School dress codes should begin with teachers

Dear Editor, Wow that story was really amazing ("School dress code should be uniform, not capricious," Oct. 20).Yeah, we all know there are rules to be followed while attending any school. And it seems no one is exempt. When our kids come home with A’s, B’s and honor certificates we certainly think they are making all the right calls.
Yeah, right — until they wear the wrong outfit to school and then, ooops!Heard a lot about it, but I haven’t had first-hand dealing.However, I've wanted to address this situation for awhile. Re-read the title and let's go from there.Many parents probably don’t realize how the faculty dress code of our county has changed drastically in the last eight-10 years. And then maybe they have, but they just say teach my kids the books.
I do know that time brings on change. Some things should never change.I am the parent of a 20-year-old, so I didn’t just get here. Been in Camden all my life, so I do know of the changes. When I was in grade school, we had some of the best role models and examples that you could ask for. You could walk the hall and be able to tell who was the teacher and who was the student. Not by who was at the door when you got there. Or who stood at the blackboard when you got in class. But the appearance gave it all away.We didn’t have to wonder about the student/teacher fashion competition. Professionalism in the staff's looks was present. There was nothing called “dress down day.” When you came to work you dressed like it. Pantyhose sales were surely up. Below knee dresses/skirts were certainly in high sales. Sleeveless tops would rot on the shelf because we didn’t see those at school. Flip flops, sandals and open toe shoes would have suffered a great monetary loss.We didn’t see that stuff in our classes. When we had to stay after school, our parents didn’t have to worry about whether li'l Bill would get caught with his teacher. They both would have a lot to get off in order to get anything started. He wouldn’t know if she had a tan or a tattoo. She was the model, the example, the teacher.The individual principal thing probably wouldn’t last long, though, because I was in the presence of a middle school principal one afternoon, and I heard him tell a student she couldn’t wear them 'cause he said so, but one of the staff had worn some almost identical. I didn’t bother questioning that because it appeared he didn’t recognize I was a guest parent or maybe it didn’t matter who I was. Can they be good followers without good leaders? It may be a home first thing, but some of them don’t have a real one.Before all you professors, scholars, faculty, aides or excuse me, paraprofessionals, start typing or e-mailing, if you don’t fit in this description, or know someone who does, then it’s not for you. But if you do, share some light (bright ones) with anyone that you might come in contact with at work that are not practicing the good leader, good follower rule.Some of you deserve accolades because you’re still wearing the look that got you there.Sonya WalkerWaverly

School Board Comes Under Investigation

A new grand jury will convene on Monday Nov. 6th. On the agenda will be an investigation on the use of executive session. I have asked the District Attorney Steven Kelly to take a look at the practices of the Camden County School Board. In response to my request Mr. Kelly told me he would turn this matter over to the grand jury for further investigation. I have told Mr. Kelly that the only punishment I want is that they keep meetings open as the law states. Yes, Dr. Proctor, I did receive your letter and that letter will be turned over as evidence to the grand jury. If it was not that kind of meeting, What kind of meeting was it? I don't think Georgia law has multiple meeting laws. The law states what constitutes a meeting. There is only one kind of meeting therefore you did break the law. And to have the school attorney comment on a meeting that he was not even involved in is totally unethical. He does not know what was said in this meeting. Any contact between a board member and a member of the grand jury could also lead to serious criminal charges so I would advise that the board stay away from these jurors. As I have stated before all this could have been avoid as the Georgia open meetings law does not require any meeting to closed, It just states that you may close some meetings, as long as evidence is not collected in that closed meeting. And yes when Ms. Martin stood up and said she had a problem with a teacher that is a charge and she was trying to file those charges with you.

Why do you think the turnout for board meeting is so low? I have been asking that question all week long with friends and neighbors, and the response shocked me. The response was because they don't listen. You have used your positions to promote friends. Your free ride is over now that I will be watching you all closely. I wish all of you the best of luck.

Blount Must Go

If the assistant superintendent of schools is not going to push for all students to go to college, he should not be in our schools. I call on Mr. Blount to turn in his resignation immediately. If he does not I call on the Board of Education to FIRE him.

I Figured Out What's Wrong With Our Schools

Plain and simple it's Gary Blount............Mr. Blount says that students can receive a career technical degree and would not have to go to college. That is a great idea. Mr. Blount have you ever gotten a good job with a technical degree. Sure you can probably make a few bucks above minimum wage. Why are we not shoving college down these kids throats. This day and age you can not get a good job with anything less than a real college degree. No one ever told me that college a necessary to succeed in life, in fact they told me that the Navy was the best way to go. And don't think like John Kerry, I was not stupid, I graduate with a regents diploma from the State of New York. Here in Camden County Mr. Van Blarcum told my wife not to bother with taking the SAT's because she was going to marry her high school boyfriend!!!

Today we should be molding all the student for college, because they will not succeed in life without it.

I know I could move out of the county and that would make the board very happy, but I could also change the boards closed minded thinking and we all could be happy.

What? The Candidates Want Open Schools

Have you seen what the candidates for districts 2 and 4 are saying? They want open schools. Hummmmmm. How is that going to happen, because Jimmy Coffel will not allow it. The funny thing is that all of the candidates are for open schools and in order for the board to go into executive session it must be voted on and approved by a majority of the board. So let's see districts 2 an 4 would vote against it, if they keep their campaign promises. That leaves us needing one vote to eliminate executive session in our schools. We know how Coffel will vote but how will Mr. Benton and Mr. Simpson vote. This will be interesting to see it play out. I do know in two years we will have the three votes necessary to eliminate most of executive sessions. Yes I do believe we need executive session in rare cases. As everyone knows there is no law that requires a board to go in to executive session. The law clearly states that the board MAY use executive session and NOT that it is required. I will be at every meeting to ensure that the new board members up hold their campaign promises, because come January we get rid of two liars and will only have one to go. Remember they are self proclaimed liars, they are the ones that said they would do a national search for a new superintendent, and then after the vote claim that was not true. The October/November surprise has been verified and I will release that news on November 6.